hee. they do kinda look like mice! still, i've never been able to draw with that program so i think you do pretty good, and if it gets you the job ... !
Wowie, I can't wait to see this one! I think it will be a masterpiece! You are truly gifted! Are there enough exclamation points in this post for you! I sure hope so!
I like these pictures. It will be nice to see what these items turn into. And congrats on getting the gig. If only you could get someone from somewhere like DC or Los Angelas to contract you out. Your rates could easilly get all the !!'s you want :)
i braze a copper name tag on the ring when i'm done. i can't patent the idea as it's not unique and never been done before. it is rare though not many around, there are aspects of these that could maybe be claimed as mine, but even then, if we call it a commissioned job, the owner gets the credit, not the paid worker (me).
i'm not sure that's absolutely correct if it's art, and i believe these fire and water fountains are being classified as art. many people commission a special piece of artwork, be it a portrait or otherwise (sculpture, painting, etc) and the artist still gets the credit. i think many if not most of the pieces of museum art with which we are familiar were commissioned pieces. this holds true for artisans and craftsmen as well, i believe. you should prolly look into that further. it's your design and your work.
You're probably right. A tough lawyer can whip the socks off me. I had read some a little while back and this is some of what i found, this pertains to copyright but the patent stuff was essentially the same. if i thought i was going to get rich on this I might would pursue it.
Works Made for Hire
The general rule is that a person who creates the work is the author of that work. However, there is an exception for a category of works called "works made for hire." If a work is a "work made for hire," then the employer, not the employee, is the author of the work. The employer may be a firm, an organization or an individual. The copyright statute narrowly defines "works made for hire." Works made by employees within the scope of their employment are works made for hire. Works created by independent contractors, however, are not "works made for hire" unless both of the following criteria are met:
1. There is a written agreement between the parties, prior to the creation of the work, specifying that the work is to be a "work made for hire"; and 2. The work has been specially ordered or commissioned for one of the following nine categories of works: a contribution to a collective work; part of a motion picture or other audiovisual work; a translation; a supplementary work; a compilation; an instructional text; a test; answer material for a test; or as an atlas.
I personally would have preferred this fountain not to have a water spray, I think it would have looked better with just water spilling over the bowl and through the lions heads, but you don't argue with the money.
i am familiar with this. benjamin came up against this when his employer in VA tried to claim the programming he did on his own time as part of what belonged to the employer based on ben being in his employ. ben will recall all the particulars.
none of this speaks to ART though. you wouldn't be able to convince an artist to do any commissioned pieces if she/he lost title as artist to the piece just bec someone commissioned it. i think the rules are different. they may own the piece itself, as anyone would who purchased a piece of artwork, but you should retain claim to its artistry as the creator, even if you have sold the piece itself.
even if you purchase a book or manuscript, the buyer has no copyright interest in it and certainly not claim to its authorship.
additionally, as you noted, you are not an employee of the buyer, for one thing. nor does your work fall into one of the nine categories indicated.
it's pretty cool that you can get all those nozzles to spray into the bowl, but i agree it would look nice with just the bowl of water and fire on top.
that was my thought from the very first project. maybe i will have the privilege of watching u create that part of the fountain some day. i would certainly like to know the specifics on that part and how difficult it might have been to engineer it into perfection.
Which engineer is perfect? Byron? S'pose so. Why, it's easy for him. I think he just points them little holes at the bowl and turns on the water and it all gets in there by itself. You wait and see. Next thing you know and he's gonna have his self a burning bush just like Moses
hey did u guy's know they are making molding from sheetrock mud now? saw this guys work he was doing in his house. it was beautiful he even did some of it with a, well im not supposed to tell because it was his own secret designer work, but i'll tell u it looked just like the leafing on a beautifully decorated cake. ;)) dont tell anybody.
can you sneak us a picture? i've seen larger moldings duplicated with plaster of paris, but never thought of using mud. if he's using a pastry bag, it must be ornate. (and it can't get wet evermore)
they carry a comb looking deal in the hardware stores now that is normally used but he came up with the pastry bag thing w/a leaf tip as an added touch and yes it was very beautiful. they are from some where close to alex. he showed me his pics when we were preaching at the church there. maybe i can get him to send me a couple and ask him just what they put in the mud though i think i recall him telling me it took nothing other than making sure the consistency was just right for the job. i would think it bit more durable than plaster of paris wouldnt u? though i wouldnt want to purposely hydrate either. :)
they carry a comb looking deal in the hardware stores now that is normally used but he came up with the pastry bag thing w/a leaf tip as an added touch and yes it was very beautiful. they are from some where close to alex. he showed me his pics when we were preaching at the church there. maybe i can get him to send me a couple and ask him just what they put in the mud though i think i recall him telling me it took nothing other than making sure the consistency was just right for the job. i would think it bit more durable than plaster of paris wouldnt u? though i wouldnt want to purposely hydrate either. :)
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hee. they do kinda look like mice! still, i've never been able to draw with that program so i think you do pretty good, and if it gets you the job ... !
Wowie, I can't wait to see this one! I think it will be a masterpiece! You are truly gifted! Are there enough exclamation points in this post for you! I sure hope so!
I hope the owners feel the same way when they see the finished product. I like exclamation points especially when I can turn them into $$$$ signs!
Hurry up and put it together so we can see it.
I like these pictures. It will be nice to see what these items turn into. And congrats on getting the gig. If only you could get someone from somewhere like DC or Los Angelas to contract you out. Your rates could easilly get all the !!'s you want :)
I agree with Royce...it's really neat to see your process. Congrats on getting another commission!
looks like mice
wow! that's really cool. amazing job
Very impressive. Each is a bit different than the former. I look forward to seeing them up close.
byron, i sure hope youre putting your name in the mud somewhere on these projects. get a patton.
i braze a copper name tag on the ring when i'm done. i can't patent the idea as it's not unique and never been done before. it is rare though not many around,
there are aspects of these that could maybe be claimed as mine, but even then, if we call it a commissioned job, the owner gets the credit, not the paid worker (me).
i'm not sure that's absolutely correct if it's art, and i believe these fire and water fountains are being classified as art. many people commission a special piece of artwork, be it a portrait or otherwise (sculpture, painting, etc) and the artist still gets the credit. i think many if not most of the pieces of museum art with which we are familiar were commissioned pieces. this holds true for artisans and craftsmen as well, i believe. you should prolly look into that further. it's your design and your work.
You're probably right. A tough lawyer can whip the socks off me.
I had read some a little while back and this is some of what i found, this pertains to copyright but the patent stuff was essentially the same. if i thought i was going to get rich on this I might would pursue it.
Works Made for Hire
The general rule is that a person who creates the work is the author of that work. However, there is an exception for a category of works called "works made for hire." If a work is a "work made for hire," then the employer, not the employee, is the author of the work. The employer may be a firm, an organization or an individual. The copyright statute narrowly defines "works made for hire." Works made by employees within the scope of their employment are works made for hire. Works created by independent contractors, however, are not "works made for hire" unless both of the following criteria are met:
1. There is a written agreement between the parties, prior to the creation of the work, specifying that the work is to be a "work made for hire"; and
2. The work has been specially ordered or commissioned for one of the following nine categories of works: a contribution to a collective work; part of a motion picture or other audiovisual work; a translation; a supplementary work; a compilation; an instructional text; a test; answer material for a test; or as an atlas.
I personally would have preferred this fountain not to have a water spray, I think it would have looked better with just water spilling over the bowl and through the lions heads, but you don't argue with the money.
i am familiar with this. benjamin came up against this when his employer in VA tried to claim the programming he did on his own time as part of what belonged to the employer based on ben being in his employ. ben will recall all the particulars.
none of this speaks to ART though. you wouldn't be able to convince an artist to do any commissioned pieces if she/he lost title as artist to the piece just bec someone commissioned it. i think the rules are different. they may own the piece itself, as anyone would who purchased a piece of artwork, but you should retain claim to its artistry as the creator, even if you have sold the piece itself.
even if you purchase a book or manuscript, the buyer has no copyright interest in it and certainly not claim to its authorship.
additionally, as you noted, you are not an employee of the buyer, for one thing. nor does your work fall into one of the nine categories indicated.
I think she's right. We all know who did the sistine chapel even if the roman church did commission it.
it's pretty cool that you can get all those nozzles to spray into the bowl, but i agree it would look nice with just the bowl of water and fire on top.
that was my thought from the very first project.
maybe i will have the privilege of watching u create that part of the fountain some day. i would certainly like to know the specifics on that part and how difficult it might have been to engineer it into perfection.
Which engineer is perfect? Byron? S'pose so. Why, it's easy for him. I think he just points them little holes at the bowl and turns on the water and it all gets in there by itself. You wait and see. Next thing you know and he's gonna have his self a burning bush just like Moses
"Why, it's easy for him.You wait and see. Next thing you know and he's gonna have his self a burning bush just like Moses"
I can send you a vial of holy water, a match, and a small twig for a modest donation. :-)
As in "You can't lose with the stuff I use"
The Reverend Ikencroker
i so am jealous of everyone with one of your fountains! they must bevery proud of them, showing them off all the time. so very nice! you're good!
absolutely fabulous.
hey did u guy's know they are making molding from sheetrock mud now?
saw this guys work he was doing in his house. it was beautiful he even did some of it with a, well im not supposed to tell because it was his own secret designer work, but i'll tell u it looked just like the leafing on a beautifully decorated cake. ;)) dont tell anybody.
can you sneak us a picture? i've seen larger moldings duplicated with plaster of paris, but never thought of using mud. if he's using a pastry bag, it must be ornate.
(and it can't get wet evermore)
they carry a comb looking deal in the hardware stores now that is normally used but he came up with the pastry bag thing w/a leaf tip as an added touch and yes it was very beautiful. they are from some where close to alex. he showed me his pics when we were preaching at the church there. maybe i can get him to send me a couple and ask him just what they put in the mud though i think i recall him telling me it took nothing other than making sure the consistency was just right for the job. i would think it bit more durable than plaster of paris wouldnt u? though i wouldnt want to purposely hydrate either. :)
they carry a comb looking deal in the hardware stores now that is normally used but he came up with the pastry bag thing w/a leaf tip as an added touch and yes it was very beautiful. they are from some where close to alex. he showed me his pics when we were preaching at the church there. maybe i can get him to send me a couple and ask him just what they put in the mud though i think i recall him telling me it took nothing other than making sure the consistency was just right for the job. i would think it bit more durable than plaster of paris wouldnt u? though i wouldnt want to purposely hydrate either. :)
This is good stuff
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